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The Public Trust


The public trust doctrine is the principle that certain resources are preserved for public use, and that the government is required to maintain it for the public's reasonable use.

Origins

The ancient laws of the Roman Emperor Justinian held that the seashore that were not appropriated for private use were open to all. This principle became the law in England as well. In the Magna Carta in England centuries later public rights were further strengthened at the insistence of the nobles that fishing weirs which obstructed free navigation be removed from rivers.

These rights were further strengthened by later laws in England and subsequently became part of the common law of the United States as established in Illinois Central Railroad v. Illinois, 146 U.S. 387 (1892). In that case the Illinois Legislature had granted an enormous portion of the Chicago harbor to the Illinois Central Railroad. A subsequent legislature sought to revoke the grant, claiming that original grant should not have been permitted in the first place. The court held that common law public trust doctrine prevented the government from alienating the public right to the lands under navigable waters (except in the case of very small portions of land which would have no effect on free access or navigation).

In subsequent cases it was held that this public right extended also to waters which were influenced by the tides regardless of whether or not they were strictly navigable. This concept also has been found to apply to the natural resources (mineral or animal) contained in the soil
and water over those public trust lands.

Application

This doctrine has been primarily significant in two areas: land access and use, and natural resource law.

Navigable waters

It is most often invoked in connection with access to the seashore. The law allows private ownership as far as the mean low water line but allow for public rights to fishing, fowling and navigation (with the necessary permits). These two states are the most restrictive of public rights and represent the exception. Most states allow free access to the intertidal zone for walking, swimming, sunbathing, etc. This does not always include the right to cross private land to reach the shore but prevents private owners from excluding the public below the mean high tide line. This line is calculated as the average high tide line of a 14.1 year cycle which means in practical terms that neither property owners nor the public are likely to be able to identify its precise location. The burden of proof therefore falls to the property owner as it would be trespassing for the public to willfully cross above the mean high tide line but not to miscalculate its location.

Natural resources

The doctrine has also been used to provide public access across and provide for continued public interest in those areas where land beneath tidally influenced waters has been filled. In some cases, the uses of that land have been limited (to transportation, for instance) and in others, there has been provision for public access across them.

The doctrine has been employed to assert public interest in oil resources discovered on tidally influenced lands and has also been used to prevent the private ownership of fish stocks and
crustacean beds.

In most Nation-STATES, lakes and navigable-in-fact streams are maintained for drinking and recreation purposes under a public-trust doctrine.

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Isaiah 52:3 - "For thus saith the LORD, Ye have sold yourselves for nought; and ye shall be redeemed without money."

"Whatever Is Covered Up Will Be Uncovered And Every Secret Will Be Made Known" - Luke 12:2

Forums get crap filled by the covert ones (or their paid minions on Skype). Good forums never die, they get bloated into a thread that is unrecognizable by good intentioned visitors. Infiltration and confusion is the game.
Take this concept to the outside of this forum as a comparison of how hard it can be to spot "them".
"Since 1991, government regulators, under the direct and heavy influence of the nation's largest oil companies and their lawyers, have allowed more than 2,600 mergers to take place in the U.S. oil industry."
http://www.fpif.org/articles/big_oils_last_stand

Doug, Facebook is useful. In a forum like this, the dark ones infiltrate to the highest levels and cannot be silenced, so they drive many (including myself) away. The conversations become pointless because they all get hijacked. By contrast, as soon as anyone tries to hijack your truther facebook conversations, (there is a huge truther subculture on facebook), you can ban them, thus ensuring that a conversation can go to a deeper place than it does on a forum. It still doesn't go beyond talk into action. The vast majority of co-called truthers are getting their emotional stimulation from what I call "truther-tainment - it's how they get some emotional stimulus in what is otherwise becoming and emotionally dead world, but they are not prepared to walk their talk. So deeper conversation is possible, but any level of action is not.

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Margaret
http://reptilians-exposed.blogspot.com/
http://www.youtube.com/user/ReptiliansExposed
http://www.youtube.com/user/margaretstalban

Well, Jimmy, surprise surprise, a moderator being aggressive to a woman who dares to post and disagree with that moderator about anything. Now that's a really good way to keep a forum active! I wonder when Max is going to wake up to you, or if he even cares. I have lost a lot of respect for Max over what he allowing you bully boys to do here. For anyone else, presuming Jimmy does not remove the reply, there are quite a few ex members of this forum connected on facebook. If you find the bullying here too much, you are welcome to find me on Facebook and I will give you a few connections to get you started. Just create a new identity so that your family stuff does not get mixed in with your truther stuff.

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Margaret
http://reptilians-exposed.blogspot.com/
http://www.youtube.com/user/ReptiliansExposed
http://www.youtube.com/user/margaretstalban

It's not dying for me. I'm here because the website hasn't been censored yet. Actually, based on my experience, I don't understand why this website is still here. I've thought about this and will continue to think about it until I get a story that fits or I get banned. I'm hoping that Max is skilled enough to avoid or minimize the manipulations by the covert ones. However, I understand that the blue-bloods have had at least a 6000 year head start and own all the wealth in the world, so I not surprised about anything any more.

Don't over-estimate your own importance, Doug. There are rules that they impose on themselves, and essentially they must have compliant human beings with the skills necessary to do their bidding - the combination of "compliant" with "the skills necessary" is fairly rare, so those people are deployed where it really counts.

As far as groups are concerned, there are hundreds of English language forums like this one and they are all surviving. They do not thrive - any of them, because they are sabotaged from within by manipulable and often unaware human beings. If you sabotage something using aggressive humans your actions are not too visible, but if you destroy it completely, your actions become very visible and have the potential to unite people into something more meaningful than a bicker-fest.

As far as individuals are concerned, the people who matter are the first hand witnesses to their actions who can whistleblow in a convincing way, and the motivators/organisers who can get the masses off their lazy backsides into serious group action. The only way any of us can become worthy of the effort as individuals is for us to get off the forums, and off facebook and out into the real world where we do something real. I'm too old for that, so I am forced to stick to educating people.

Meanwhile, the forums, YouTube and Facebook (where Max spends as much time as he does here, incidentally) are a useful interim step where we can get educated. It doesn't matter much where we do that, as long as we do get educated. Max's facebook Id if interested. http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=612575336 I'm not particularly advocating facebook which does have some serious problems associated with it, but I have found I can meet more intelligent people there, and get conversations going deeper, than I have been able to on any of the forums. That is simply my own opinion, which I should be entitled to express without being called names.

Now I will get back to cultivating my medicinal herbs. Goodbye Doug, and get out there doing something real to become as independent of the system as you can, as soon as you can. Food, water, clothing, shelter, medicine, education - there's lots to do to build the alternative infrastructure we need so that they no longer CAN control us.

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Margaret
http://reptilians-exposed.blogspot.com/
http://www.youtube.com/user/ReptiliansExposed
http://www.youtube.com/user/margaretstalban

I retract my original statement that this forum is dying, I think I just caught it a a quiet period, things seem to be picking up again, and quite richly too!

Thanks for all the great info everyone. Very troubling yet immensely interesting times ahead of us.

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Only after the last tree has been cut down, the last of the water poisoned, the last animal destroyed, only then will you know that you cannot eat money

and the beat goes on,

hi, haven't been here 4ever, had a notice that my acct would be deleted if I didn't log on. I got bored.. about all the problems, the darks ones, government, and disease... And then it's talking and talking, and that was interesting.. for awhile. But it doesn't seem to really help me with my life.. need food, shelter, security, and then I can have some time .. just a little to contemplate the intricacies of our layered reality. I forget what your all trying to do here, what are we trying to do here? Well whatever lol I don't use facebook much but I enjoy msg a friend everyone once in awhile, Recently got cable tv.. I enjoy watching it from time to time.. there I said it 0.o