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 Post subject: Are you a name?
PostPosted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 5:57 am 
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The reason I ask is because the only bills and court summons I've ever received have been addressed to a name; not the living human being using the name...

I bet if I asked you if you were a name you would probably say no; but then why do so many people claim to be a name when they go to court? Could identifying as a name be consenting to be governed? If the names we use are copyrighted and/or "owned" legally (fictionally), would we be granting jurisdiction by identifying as a name? Or worse, could we be labeled as enemy combatants for identifying as a name the state claims to own?

Do the laws that create the names we use say the names are meant to be used to identify us? I can't speak for where you live, but here in the so called US (Ohio) I've read the vital stats laws that create the names and I couldn't find anything saying we're supposed to be identified as a name...

Please bookmark the collection of links I've put together on this subject:

http://www.peaceful-inhabitants.tk

Here's a few I recommend starting with:

http://www.youtube.com/user/s1k3st937

http://www.whybefudd.info

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 Post subject: Re: Are you a name?
PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 4:46 am 
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http://dl.dropbox.com/u/41108/Peaceful% ... 1Jan24.mp3

That's a new conference call recording from Jan 24th with the man that uses the name Vic Beck discussing the Pay it Forward process.

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 Post subject: Re: Are you a name?
PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 4:15 pm 
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To me anyway "Name" means nature and is associated with identity. Now here is the real question. Do I own the name or does the name own me? : ) With all that said and done I am more then just a name. I am an expression and thought of God and His essence..

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 Post subject: Re: Are you a name?
PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 6:40 pm 
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markerf16 wrote:
To me anyway "Name" means nature and is associated with identity. Now here is the real question. Do I own the name or does the name own me? : ) With all that said and done I am more then just a name. I am an expression and thought of God and His essence..

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http://machaut.uchicago.edu/?resource=W ... use1828=on

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I*den"ti*ty (?), n.; pl. Identities (#). [F. identité, LL. identitas, fr. L. idem the same, from the root of is he, that; cf. Skr. idam this. Cf. Item.]

1. The state or quality of being identical, or the same; sameness.

Identity is a relation between our cognitions of a thing, not between things themselves. Sir W. Hamilton.

2. The condition of being the same with something described or asserted, or of possessing a character claimed; as, to establish the identity of stolen goods.

IDEN''TITY, n. Sameness, as distinguished from similitude and diversity. We speak of the identity of goods found, the identity of persons, or of personal identity.


Black's Law Dictionary (8th Edition):

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identity. 1. The identical nature of two or more things; esp., in patent law, the sameness in two devices of the function performed, the way it is performed, and the result achieved. • Under the doctrine of equivalents, infringement may be found even if the accused device is not identical to the claimed invention. See DOCTRINE OF EQUIVALENTS. [Cases: Patents 234–237. C.J.S. Patents §§ 414–415, 417–418, 425–426.] 2.Evidence. The authenticity of a person or thing. [Cases: Evidence 102. C.J.S. Evidence § 211.]


http://www.britannica.com/bps/dictionary?query=identity

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Main Entry:iden·ti��ty
Pronunciation:\ī-ˈden-tə-tē, ə-, -ˈde-nə-\
Function:noun
Inflected Form(s):plural iden·ti��ties
Etymology:Middle French identité, from Late Latin identitat-, identitas, probably from Latin identidem repeatedly, contraction of idem et idem, literally, same and same
Date:1570
1 a: sameness of essential or generic character in different instances b: sameness in all that constitutes the objective reality of a thing : ONENESS
2 a: the distinguishing character or personality of an individual : INDIVIDUALITY b: the relation established by psychological identification
3: the condition of being the same with something described or asserted <establish the ∼ of stolen goods>
4: an equation that is satisfied for all values of the symbols
5: IDENTITY ELEMENT


If we identify as a name are we making the claim that we're identical to a name? Is it an obvious lie to say we're identical to a name? Could we be granting jurisdiction for a court to settle the controversy by claiming to be a name if someone else claims that we aren't the name or if someone has a claim of ownership/copyright on the name?

Why does either have to be an "owner"? Could "ownership" just be an illusion?

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 Post subject: Re: Are you a name?
PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 8:59 am 
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Not if you choose the name. Then you own the name, the name doesn't own you.
Kids should be given temporary names while they choose their own, it could be fast it could take a long long time to choose though XD

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 Post subject: Re: Are you a name?
PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 12:36 pm 
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If the name is associated with identity are we saying we're identical to a name? Is it an obvious lie to say we're identical to a name? Why does either have to be an "owner"? Could "ownership" just be an illusion?


I love the definition you found for identity. When I say "own" I was simply making fun of the concept all together. Yes in a way I think it is an illusion. To me (name branding) it makes people think of what they are not who they are. Its a false paradigm but serves its purpose non the less in association with the matrix.


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 Post subject: Re: Are you a name?
PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 4:07 pm 
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In case you haven't already found them, the "To Be A Man" PDFs are really important imo. The addendum actually just got released:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/41108/Peaceful% ... -a-Man.pdf

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/41108/Peaceful% ... dendum.pdf

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This specific purpose of this Addendum is to show you how the way of life described in the To Be a Man e-book, can be achieved, and how putting foot to path in this way can bring unparalleled joy to our lives. To live absent the rule of fear, to love those who seek to cause you harm, to devote your energies to the service of others; these are the things that bring us joy. But how do we achieve the peace of mind necessary to embrace these ideals?


Both are linked to on http://www.peaceful-inhabitants.tk

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 Post subject: Re: Are you a name?
PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 4:55 pm 
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Love it and thanks MasterChiefa.... : )


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 Post subject: Re: Are you a name?
PostPosted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 2:07 pm 
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Batman posted a new conference call recording on the imbatman57 talkshoe yesterday:

http://recordings.talkshoe.com/TC-44889/TS-445435.mp3

http://www.talkshoe.com/talkshoe/web/ta ... 889&cmd=tc

To everyone that's thanked me for sharing this info: you're welcome, my only request is that you "pay it forward" by sharing the info with more people.

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 Post subject: Re: Are you a name?
PostPosted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 8:02 pm 
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I'm putting together a youtube account with this information, it's available at: http://www.youtube.com/user/s1k3st937

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