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I like your positivism, but unfortunately you must realize that this was a staged revolution. And the puppet masters were definitely not the Libyan people. They were played. Just as Gaddafi played them in his revolution, so are they now being played by whoever is behind this revolution (corporations, banks, Western intelligence agencies, etc).

Honestly, do you believe that Libya will be better off now? With "demonocracy", private central bank, and armed gangs of radicalized youth, this country will go to hell unless the savior west steps in and puts boots on the ground, which technically wouldn't even be an invasion, since the Libyan National Transitional Council will ask them for that.
I really sense another Iraq being made out of Libya. Let us remember the close to 2 million Iraqi civilians who have perished due to the conflict there.

I do not say that the people fighting had good intentions towards the freedom of their country. All I say is that those intentions will stay as such, and not materialize towards anything good. Now they will have to live in a heavily indebted state, where local oligarchs will be living like kings and the rest of the people like sheep.

Now you might say, "that is exactly what was happening under Gaddafi regime". Yes, I agree, but he stole enough for himself and his family to be well off. These new people will have to steal even more to be well off. And who knows, maybe their greed will be much bigger than the previous rulers'.

In any case, we shall see what happens, but I can guarantee you that what i laid out in this post will materialize in Libya. Just I do hope that things will not go much worse than my prediction.

Good luck to Libyans.

Local Predictor, I see what you are saying and I know their is an agenda but the start of this uprising was spontanious and it all started in February because of this incident which happened in 1996.
http://english.libya.tv/2011/06/29/15-y ... -massacre/
Fathi Terbil was representing the families of this massacre for their justice and he was arrested, the people went to the courthouse to try and get him released and then peaceful protesters were killed. The people became so angry that they faced tanks and weapons with their bare chests, this is the facts. Then everything escalated and spread far and wide and then gaddafi and his troops just kept on killing the peaceful demonstrators. These are the facts but now it has become a media circus. The Libyan youth were at the forefront of all this, then everyone joined in. The Libyan youth suffered the most in their lives as their was no jobs, no money and no future, so they had had enough of gaddafi and his cronies. No money, no marriage contrary to what the propaganda is this wasn't the land of plenty for the ordinary citizen. Over the years their were people that tried to take on gaddafi all were brutally squashed as they did not have enough people supporting them. Gaddafi kept his people under tight control and were very intimidated by him and didn't dare speak out all together as they saw what happened to the others that did!
All of the Libyans I know said they will not let anyone interfere in their affairs now. Libya is for the Libyans and they will make the decsions for a better country for all the people to have their peace of mind and security back which for 42 years they were under a tryant, well known to be put in by the west. This is what they want and are very sincere because I have many Libyan links here and in Libya. But I know only time will tell as for sure their is an agenda but I really pray that they will succeed against all the odds of so many that are very negative and spin all the news about Libya totally out of context.
Thankyou for listening and for your good luck Local Predictor. I hope I have shed some light on the Libyans point of view and plight that has been suppressed for 42 years and which has never seen the light of day before as everything was so tightly controlled untill now when all manner of things come out of the woodwork. I have read some ridiculous thigs from so called experts that are not even on the ground in Libya and haven't talked to any Libyans.
Just found this on a libyan website, might like to take a look? An eyewitness account of the massacre in Abu Salim prison in 1996. The horror and reality of living in Libya, people suppressed and oppressed.

Just an update on Libya as all the talk is about Islamists, extremists, al Qaeda and more besides. I think this article was very useful for outsiders to know what's happening or going to happen in Libya.
http://english.libya.tv/2011/09/14/in-l ... am-is-key/
This website,
http://english.libya.tv/
operates from Libya and has all the up to date news if anyone is interested from a Libyan point of view instead of from people that don't know any Libyans and haven't been there. Also to bear in mind the ones that have visited when gaddafi the tyrant was in charge had minders and couldn't speak freely to the actual people, the ones spoken to were told what they could and could not say. That was what his rule was all about for 42 years, oppressed and suppressed. No wonder when the international community said they would help they just went for it no matter what the costs as long as Libya was free. I think we can all understand this, what if we were in their situation what would we have done?! Probably ask for help. My intention is for you all to understand a little about the subject at hand. Thankyou for your time.

Lincoln was gonna change the money, JFK was gonna change the money. The war in Libya is not about “sides”. Both sides are stupid, mindless, murderous jerks. What the “fighters” don't understand is that they are in an “organized” dog fight or cock fight. The “organizers” or banksters are laughing and chuckling how very stupid the “fight” participants are. Like the authors of organized dog fighting and cock fighting, NATO/Bilderbergers “get off” and “bet” (stock market investing) on the “sport”. In addition, weapons manufacturers and their stock investors made a fortune on selling their projectile weapons.
You want proof? I see a lot of guns and ammunition being displayed in the videos. APPARENTLY! they have been “left behind”????? Give my sanity a break.....with opposing sides in a war it is a high priority to destroy anything the enemy can use against you as you retreat. Look at the Russians when the Nazis invaded in WW2. Nothing was left behind!
So back to all the weapons and celebration shooting by the Libyan “rebels”. So sad to see. If Gadhaffi didn't leave them behind, then NATO supplied them. You don't see the authors of organized dog fights filing down and blunting the teeth of the pit bulls do you? In cock fights lethal metal knives are put on the foot spur. There will be no winners in Libya. Libyan women and children have been the real target of this well organized “dog fight” sport. Too bad every participant in this war ruse doesn't understand who is pulling their strings.
Let me repeat. I see the organizers NATO/Bilderberg laughing all the way to the banksters on this one..... along with the enormously wealthy Gadaffi family. These ruling thug groups just don't know how to be kind and sharing.

PS This goes for the the conflict in Israel/Palestine too. Please, everyone, stop picking on women and children. And dogs and chickens too.

It sure is a fact now and throughout history that women, children, old and infirmed are always the ones to suffer its a given and so sad. What has happened has happened good or bad and now the Libyans have to get on with it and try their best to sort out there country. The biggest task ahead is to be united and don't let anybody interfere but their are many takers. I know many Libyans and they are very sincere and they really feel they had no choice but to stand up to this tyrant dictator, what is written is written life goes on. Their's an agenda and we all know it so lets use NATO and UN and play them at their own game. Libyans are very savvy I am sure they will work it out. Time will tell I guess. BTW, not to keen on RT as I have watched and listened to some of their news and some of it is far from the truth just propaganda although I would include a few others in that catagory as well, you all probably know who I am talking about? You have to go a bit deeper than the surface for the truth although of course this isn't fail safe!

GOOD NEWS:

Libya The Night That Killed The Lies
Posted on October 15, 2011 by nsnbc

Most of Tripoli is Liberated, Sirte is holding on, Bani Walid, Sabah, Zliten, and countless other cities are free. As morning came to Libya the results of the onset of a new stage of the Libyan Liberation become undeniable. While Libyans mourn the death of those fallen in the fight for liberation, the TNC and NATO mourn massive losses of territory, troops, and trust. NATO and the TNC lost over 1.000 fighters, and over 1.500 are wounded. Their greatest casualty how ever, are the Lies about Libya, which were put to rest by the new phase of Libya´s Liberation. by Dr. Christof Lehmann

http://nsnbc.wordpress.com/2011/10/15/14-10-2011/


Keep strack on what is happening in Libya here:
http://nsnbc.wordpress.com/category/afr ... irs/libya/

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I have posted links above that give you the news in Libya some other sources that people are relying on are just propaganda and misinformation.
Here are the links again,
http://english.libya.tv/
http://www.facebook.com/LibyanYouthMovement
I have more but these will be ample news for those who really want to know what is happening in Libya. These are Libyan websites which I have been following from the begining and I have many other links on the ground as I have many family and friends living there as I have had links with libya for 32 years and have seen personally over the years what the tyrant gaddafi has done to his people for 42 years. I think people that have no understanding of Libya or haven't been there and don't know the people can not write about the situation there. Gaddafi at the moment seems to be doing a big PR stunt and everyone is believing it! It is an insult to the many people that have died fighting for the safety of their families in Libya to believe some of the garbage that has been written or watched on dodgy media sources! If we were faced with bullets when peacefully protesting in our countries in the western world I am sure we would rise up and do what ever it took to resolve the situation.
The Libyans are looking to a better future without a dictator but their is much work to be done but all outsiders do is support gaddafi's PR machine and all of it is lies as has been his State TV for 42 years. I ask you all not to believe all this propaganda and this disinformation that is going on.
Did you not read my comment above which explains some things, I'll paste it here now?
http://english.libya.tv/2011/06/29/15-y ... -massacre/
Fathi Terbil was representing the families of this massacre for their justice and he was arrested, the people went to the courthouse to try and get him released and then peaceful protesters were killed. The people became so angry that they faced tanks and weapons with their bare chests, this is the facts. Then everything escalated and spread far and wide and then gaddafi and his troops just kept on killing the peaceful demonstrators. These are the facts but now it has become a media circus. The Libyan youth were at the forefront of all this, then everyone joined in. The Libyan youth suffered the most in their lives as their was no jobs, no money and no future, so they had had enough of gaddafi and his cronies. No money, no marriage contrary to what the propaganda is this wasn't the land of plenty for the ordinary citizen. Over the years their were people that tried to take on gaddafi all were brutally squashed as they did not have enough people supporting them. Gaddafi kept his people under tight control and were very intimidated by him and didn't dare speak out all together as they saw what happened to the others that did!
All of the Libyans I know said they will not let anyone interfere in their affairs now. Libya is for the Libyans and they will make the decsions for a better country for all the people to have their peace of mind and security back which for 42 years they were under a tryant, well known to be put in by the west. This is what they want and are very sincere because I have many Libyan links here and in Libya. But I know only time will tell as for sure their is an agenda but I really pray that they will succeed against all the odds of so many that are very negative and spin all the news about Libya totally out of context.
Thankyou for listening and for your good luck Local Predictor. I hope I have shed some light on the Libyans point of view and plight that has been suppressed for 42 years and which has never seen the light of day before as everything was so tightly controlled untill now when all manner of things come out of the woodwork. I have read some ridiculous thigs from so called experts that are not even on the ground in Libya and haven't talked to any Libyans.
Just found this on a libyan website, might like to take a look? An eyewitness account of the massacre in Abu Salim prison in 1996. The horror and reality of living in Libya, people suppressed and oppressed.

Gaddafi is no longer in charge of Libya and because of all the blood that has been spilt the people will never allow any dictators to come and tell them what to do again. Although his PR machine is working night and day on the interenet with lies at least the Libyan people know the truth and I would hope that everyone else will open up their eyes just a little to find out that truth without just excepting what outsiders are saying! Their's a saying to get the truth from the horses mouth not some second hand chinese whispers! I trust I have made my point clear?
BTW Dreamingod, are you just finding a website and posting the news about Libya without bothering to find out the facts of the matter at hand and whether it is actually true or not?

Thanks for providing another perspective to the invasion/situation in Libya. Your link is definitely better in that it provides more detail on local intel.

The author, Christof Lehmann of http://nsnbc.wordpress.com/ has a satirical approach to presenting news, and his message is sometimes lost in witty justoposition of meaning. He presents news in an objective fashion, and describes the differing viewpoints. He seems to point our there is more than meets the eye when it comes to Gaddafi's role in Libya - people freedom versus oppression.

I don't recall where I read another perspective that Gaddafi secretly gave half of his army to the people's freedom fighters to resist Nato led forces, and made alliances with South Korea in the GMR Great Man-made River Water Supply Project.
Who is the 'Liberator?'
Who is the 'Oppressor?'
Gaddafi local Dictator (so say the Western Press) VS NATO-US international Dictator?
Maybe it is the case of who is willing to free the people of Libya from economic oppression due to lack of water, and change the landscape of Libya deserts to lush greenland for agricultural production.

Since there is so much intrigue, disinformation, and I can't read the Libyan native language, Arabic I (and so do most people in the non-Arab ic speaking countries) must rely on translations and unfortunately experience the 'Chinese Whispers' effect.

The main threat to the powers that be, (see Mind Control System Pyramid Control Structure
http://thecrowhouse.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=6295) is not just the economic threat of Libya's vast oil reserves (Libya possesses 3.5% of the world's total oil reserves) to the Oil-based corporations & Western Powers, but another imminent threat introduced by water and agriculture.
http://www.water-technology.net/projects/gmr/

Pure Evil: NATO Attacked Libyan Water Supply Pipeline and the Factory that Makes Replacement Pipes By Scott Creighton
http://williambowles.info/2011/08/01/pure-evil-nato-attacked-libyan-water-supply-pipeline-and-the-factory-that-makes-replacement-pipes-by-scott-creighton/


WATER WILL LIBERATE LIBYA

Potential of the region is enhanced
Joining in celebrating the inauguration of the artificial river were dozens of Arab and African heads of state and hundreds of other foreign diplomats and delegations. Among them were Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, King Hassan of Morocco, the head of Sudan, Gen. Omar El Beshir, and Djibouti's President Hassan Julied.

Col. Muammar Qaddafi told the celebrants: ``After this achievement, American threats against Libya will double.... The United States will make excuses, [but] the real reason is to stop this achievement, to keep the people of Libya oppressed.'' Qaddafi presented the project to the cheering crowd as a gift to the Third World.

Greening the desert
Over 95% of Libya is desert, and the new water sources can open up thousands of hectares of irrigated farmland. At present over 80% of the country's agriculture production comes from the coastal regions, where local aquifers have been overpumped, and salt water intrusion is taking place. The Great Man-Made River will relieve this. The water now flowing will immediately supplement supplies for domestic and industrial needs in Benghazi and Sirte. But Libyan officials plan for 80% of the overall project's flow to eventually be used for irrigating old farms, and reclaiming some desert lands. Since 20% of Libya's imports are foodstuffs, expanded water supplies are a means to greater self-sufficiency.
http://american_almanac.tripod.com/libya.htm

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We are all expressions of ONE Source - ONE Mind.
We are actors on the stage of iMAGICnation, in perpetual self exploration.
We are both the Dreamer & the Dream.
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I am consciousness and potentiality

Appreciate your reply Dreamingod, here's a nice artricle about Libya and its past also the comment below it.
http://feb17.info/news/for-amal-life-re ... more-36748
I feel I have a duty to inform on the situation in Libya because of my strong links now and over the years. To much disinfo coming our way in the west. I have many friends there that have sacrificed with anything they have and with their lives because they want the next generations to taste the freedom that was no where in sight before February 17th. The bravery of the young men were astounding and they came before tank fire with their bare chests, no weapons. They saw gaddafi for the dog he is and then everyone joined in and Bengazi was free. Although I have read resently that gaddafi has threatened the people with chemical weapons, he truely is a demon and is very evil and unhuman to do this to his people also his minions but they will all share his fate in the end. I am lucky because of my links because I can see what is really going on. Here in the west people rely on anything they can but I would warn them to be very careful as they want us all to be divided for their own special reasons whatever they may be! I have been living with the issue for 8 months now and it is close to my heart because of the loss of dear friends and their families heartache.