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Interesting article concerning David Icke, Jeff Rense and Alex Jones is mentioned also. Has Henry got it right, time will tell?!
http://www.henrymakow.com/david_icke_fo ... is_is.html
I do find that Henry has some good artilces on his website and the ones mentioned above tend to give truth mixed in with lies and with the case of Alex Jones he just whips everyone up in a frenzy and makes everyone panic! I'd rather try to find the real news after all some of these guys just get their news from the same mainstream media that is meant to be so bad, perhaps they need to do their research?! Just my two cents.

i dont really trust icke rense or jones. All are millionaire patriots when you scrape off the facade. Huge conflict of interests.

Icke exposes himself some with this rense makow issue - why take sides??? the ventura issue and the ex wife issue. He makes himself look pathetic. Gandhi wouldnt have. icke preaches love but can be so hateful.

Whats icke doing with his gate receipts from wembley totalling £500k. whats he investing all his worthless fiat profits in, to bring about change.

if fear sells, the more fearful it is the bigger the profits

jones is too aggressive. icke can be too. rense always sounds stoned & sometimes like he is taking the piss

they all do a little good in awakening us to the problem, but make huge profits in the process.

Alan watt is very good at educating us to the problems, and breaking down the matrix, but again offers no tangible solutions.

thats why ive enjoyed listening to max, as he covers the full spectrum of problem and solutions.

Icke moved another woman into his marital home with his kids, and got this new woman pregnant, his wife soon left

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Thanks for your reply lightworker, interesting insight. I think we all have an idea on who's who now and also thanks to Max at the Crow House that keeps us all up to date with what's happening.

tbh i also think i forgot who i am and got overtaken by a fear program in getting into all this stuff. glad i did and learnt what i have for a reason (not all of which will be true, a lot of which i cannot verify for myself), but time to step out for good and try and live a normal life in a state of love (the removal of all fear), IN THe present moment. Not past or future (mind, see eckhart tolle the power of now).

The truth movement, like the system, is also a bit of a virus perhaps



until the system bites me on the bum, from now on im going to try and not worry about it, but sidestep it where ever possible.

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theres lots about icke for me that doesnt sit well. it doesnt quite add up.

apparently he is a very wealthy man, yet recently saw fit to ask for donations to pay his legal fees in a case he cannot name against a mystery person who he cannot name.
1) Most people who view his website are probably unemployed or low income.
2) surely icke knows all llawyers have a superseding oath to the barr asssociation? or queens bench or law society is it, and can never represent someones best interests at the expencse of the system. surely he would not want to use the system to fight the system at great financial expense? £100k was what i think he was after.


the way he plugs his mates work - this shen clinic, which if you read his forum - doesnt sound all that great.
the way he attacks those who question him.

eckhart tolle wouldnt behave like icke does. im sorry but i dont buy icke. my intuition tells me he is something of a fraud. and he has a god complex - just look at the mullet & all the grandiose speak about voices telling him he will change the world - do me a favour.
even when you get into all the nitty gritty about ickes reptilian theories the moon etc. there are missing links in the info.

alan watt calls icke out as a fraud, COINTEL and profiteer. there is some truth to this i feel. Though if he is, Icke is extremely good at COINTEL.

all ickes interviews are the same old tired monologues repeated ad finitum, and the youtube amateur type intyerviewers are afraid to ask him proper questions, cos they want the view count and dont want to offend him as they need him back, so icke just gets open mic to rattle on about the same old stuff.

in short, theres quite a lot about icke that i like, but quite a lot that doesnt sit well on an intuitive level. And hes the one who bangs on about intuition and trusting ones intuition. so thankyou david

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I respect that everyone has opinions, however your below comment does not complement your avatar name, lightworker.


Occasionally I visit his site, and I do not fit into that label/ assumption.

While you have got me started, I might as well share my opinions.

One simply does not intimately know what were the circumstances of his marriage, personal life, financial situation to pass such harsh judgements.
He did experience financial stress, arthritis, career difficulties and his spiritual revelations to the public and was met with great ridicule.
He reports that it was a time of considerable personal despair for him (late 1980s).
He has developed quite a thick skin and mockery now seems to slide off him.




During the late 1980s when the majority of people were still unawaken, David Icke acted upon his convictions, based on his spiritual experiences, and presented his spiritual understanding (subjective) which caused him and his family a lot of ridicule.
I don't know how people faced with similar circumstances will cope.
For that I credit him as being the courageous path maker who made it easier for those especially in the Westen cultures thereafter to spread similar messages of spirituality, consciousness, reality being an illusion and thus hope and understanding.
To become informed of the government depopulation agenda and their methods is a good thing, because the population can now seek remedy.
The word 'fear mongering' applies to those individual who chooses to respond in fear.
Ignorance is never empowering. For example we have been conditioned through our ignorance to accept and not challenge the authority's will, particularly the government and law, instead of being sovereign human beings with divine souls.
Post: Meet Your Strawman. Bursting Bubbles of Government http://thecrowhouse.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=6295



This is what David Icke emphasizes.
Knowing that we are spiritual beings, another metaphor consciousness experiencing this illusory reality also gives one much perspective, and empowers us individually with the ability to change our perception of self in order to attract positive experiences.




Is (the link) this someone's hatemail being passed off as information?

Have you read some of David Icke's books to quickly accept other's slurs of David Icke and to judge him accordingly?

I have read several of his books, and it is my opinion that he has done a lot of research and reports his understanding of the 'big picture'
- some of this information is similar to what other 'enlightened' people are sharing.
Truth is quite subjective, depending on your belief systems and what information or point of view you are referencing.
History is written by the winner.
The human being disseminating the information/opinions also has their own way of interpreting and communicating these ideas/ information.
http://davidickebooks.co.uk/index.php?page=0&act=viewCat&catId=1
He does not charge for the abundance of information on his website.
Donations are voluntary on David Icke's website as well as The Crowhouse website.
Even 'enlightened' people need to pay bills.
A person's state of wealth or hair cut does not necessarily define the moral character of the individual. It is how one applies wealth and perception/understanding.
http://www.davidicke.com/headlines


Some information may resonate with some people while others may not, but to make an assumption that because one does not like "David Icke - the man" (all) his message, including his talk about reptilians is "COINTEL" and suspect, is quite limiting.

Just because one has not experienced similar spiritual experiences, including kundalini, the higher self -voices in the head
is not true or suspect. This may not be your truth, but for someone like David Icke, public figure (former media figure) willing
to go public with his personal spiritual epiphany is not likely done in jest, and most likely carried out as belief of one's truth.


Initially when I started to share my spiritual experiences and subjective understanding with others in other forums,
I have been challenged a few times by the same poster. After using different metaphors to explain similar concepts, referencing current scientific discoveries, scientific method and out of body experiences/phasing
he completely changed his opposed view and readily admitted that he had these experiences too.
In my extended family life I was mocked, but because I introduced these foreign perceptions, some family members did investigate and subsequently changed their truths.
Often one does not like to be radically different from the cultural/ group norms for the fear of mockery, and one is conditioned to accept 'group think'.
btw > I too have experienced kundalini (powerful energy surge and incredible vibrations up th spine and radiating throughout the body), and connection with my higher self/inner awareness -yes I have perceived a (male) voice and moments of intuition
-I have read many stories of other people having similar experiences.


I think ultimately as light workers we should try to see the goodness in others, because we can accept the goodness in ourselves.
This does not mean not be skeptical, questioning all information is healthy, however to make assumptions
that certain experiences and belief systems cannot ever be truth is quite limiting.
I suggest one needs to ask more questions, and scrutinise one's belief systems:
Is it because someone, an expert, a group told you it was so?
Have you personally investigated this for yourself by any means?
Were you there?
Who is the authority of truth if all human beings are equal?





I believe that like beauty is in the eye of the beholder, truth is subjective based on the experiencer.
Since God = love, truth main objective is love and not division.

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DG

I do sympathise with your current disposition.

I too used to feel a strange stockholm syndrome protective instinct towards what icke said and even alex jones. I eventually came to my senses, after one too many contradiction and inconsistency.

And now the only god i worship is the one consciousness that is within us all, perfect and immortal, yet in manifested reality, can get lost in form, and hijacked by mind/ego.


i always try to be a critical thinker and judge on facts and evidence and not emotion, or what i would like to believe is true. If that were the case id be saying benjamin fulford and david wilcock are the real deal


Dont feel insulted by comments about income bracket either. Money is afterall, fiction.

I see you jumped to a conclusion about what my username represents also. Could it be that i am just a "light" "worker".
Or did you mistake my sentiment for some new age love and light guru type......


dont get me wrong, 90% of what icke says and stands for is superb. 10% is sketchy or contradictory, or a conflict of interests or open to dubious interpretation etc. hes not perfect, nobody is.
It is not beyond all possibility that he works for TPTB, as is so with many of these famous truth movement figures. Thats why i critically evaluate everything i give my attention to. Over and out

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I resonate with that. Cheers for using awesome animations to creatively express opinions.

btw - my definition of worship is love and trust.

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We are all expressions of ONE Source - ONE Mind.
We are actors on the stage of iMAGICnation, in perpetual self exploration.
We are both the Dreamer & the Dream.
Reality is in consciousness.
I think therefore I am
I am consciousness and potentiality

This is FWIW being a newbie here and all, but personally I've had my fill of the forum wars, and the wars between various alternative media people. Seems to me this is just our own little version of daytime soaps, with all the exciting twists and turns.

What gets lost in all of this is the #1 time immortal strategy of TPTW that still works like a charm...Divide and conquer...Sure there are the disinformation guys, and the various alphabet soup types that float around and stir when needed, but for the most part we seem to do a pretty decent job of dividing ourselves.

Cheers,
Fred

Lightworker, very well put. All this information is coming at us so we have to try and see the bigger picture, I am sure that the 'Crow House' is somewhere to get some good info from. Trying to dig deeeper below the surface is a good idea before we except everything we read or watch as gospel on the internet as it is a tool and could be for our benefit in some cases it is not as people are very gullable to things without researching them deeply.
Welcome Fred and enjoy your stay here.